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Queen Elizabeth Country Park added to Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty in South East by AeroJ on 11/08/2024

The South Downs contains a good few spectacular locations along its length, and Butser gets a lot of attention for being among the tallest and most open of them.

But the neighbouring peak of Butser is a slightly lower, almost entirely tree-covered hill where we find QECP, Petersfield's main big out-of-town country park, which deserves a pin on the map because it will occur to many to try and fly here, but we should be aware of the challenges in advance...

Parking is expensive if you bring the car, but bikes (and EUCs) get in free if you are up to the 400 ft climb to the top of the hill with another mile or 2 to go to the fly site once you get there ! Toilets and cafe facilities open within normal park sort of hours (also expensive !). The Park does not have any 'no drones' signs (as of Aug 2024), and I believe it's fine as long as you don't hang around the busy picnic and pizza oven areas at peak times. These border the closest TOAL field right next to the car park and make that one the least preferable of the 3 or 4 available - the others don't generally have stationary groups of people in them !

There ARE spectacular views available here, just not as many as you'd think ! It is MAINLY about the trees and sheer amount of them ! And it's quite a challenging place to fly for number of reasons I will briefly mention below.

All 3 of the potential fly sites are right at the top of the hill and are variously sized fields that adjoin the main gravel track running all the way along the main ridge from the upper car park to Wardown, which is the highest point of and end of the hill. The best place to fly from is undoubtedly the largest field, furthest from the car park (about 1.5km walk), and just before the hill drops off into the Wardown viewpoint (which is almost entirely obscured from view by trees from the ground). THIS is the view we want though and is a stunning vista back towards the town, in which we have imposing Butser on the left, the chalk quarry and town in front, and the A3 carving between the 2 hills, and vast, lush tree canopy in the foreground. This looks AMAZING in Autumn.

But the Achilles heel, so to speak, of this site is the fact that each of these TOAL fields are surrounded by tall trees, seriously limiting the amount of horizontal travel we have, even at some height without losing VLOS. The ONE exception is if you get your UV to follow the main track all the way along the hill ridge, which will give a long continuous shot with clear views of craft all the way along if you follow it on foot and lovely wooded drop-offs on both sides once you get about 100 ft above the tree-line.

We do get some RAF traffic appearing low over those trees on occasions, so good to notify them of any flights you may be intending to make here in advance. We also have to watch out for excess wind, which may seem calm at ground level, but can become suddenly huge as soon as you emerge from the canopy, where you are subject to a powerful prevailing wind that gets channelled along the A3 between the 2 hills. Although updrafts from this do get diffused by the woodland to some extent, some skim above it and can catch you, making descent a bit sketchy if you try it in the wrong places or need it in a hurry, so this is actually quite a challenging place to fly because you don't have much chance to see things coming and winds are unpredictable and powerful ! My advice is 'don't run low on power here - land well early'. The main risk is being blown out of VLOS for craft that can't handle big wind. I will only fly my M4P here on the very calmest of days.

A valid question to ask might be why you would fly here, when there is even bigger hill Butser right next door, which is a relatively easy-fly, vastly wide open space, with amazing all-round visibility wherever you fly on it, and I would have to agree !

QECP is for specialists, who want tree-lined ridges in certain lights, (and ones tall enough to poke through clouds occasionally) and who want to actually fly IN the woods where there are helpfully widely spaced and nicely managed trees and a number of interesting things to film including assault courses, bike trails, epic drop-offs and several crafty type play areas with rope swings and bridges and what-not. Looks great in golden hour. FPVers would have a ball in the woods if the light was right...

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Co-ordinates: 50.97363, -0.967226 • what3words: ///logs.marching.relations

The originator declared that this location was not inside a Flight Restriction Zone at the time of being flown on 10/08/2024. It remains the responsibility of any pilot to check for any changes before flying at the same location.

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Farnham Park The Avenue, Waverley (By Batloaf)

Farnham Park is a remarkable survival of a medieval deer park with a landscape of rolling grassland and veteran trees and a boundary that has remained unchanged for over 600 years.

Its 320 acres (130 hectares) has retained much of its 17th parkland character and has the feel of open countryside.
It offers avenues, hidden dells, hills, valleys, ponds and streams.
Its elevated position provides panoramic views of Farnham and surrounding countryside.

Farnham Park is a Site of Nature Conservation Importance (SNCI), an area of Historic Landscape Value (AHLV) a Grade 2 listed Historic Park and Garden (English Heritage designation), a Local Nature Reserve (LNR) and has received Green Flag status.

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Co-ordinates: 51.22147, -0.793309 • what3words: ///quicker.gravel.shuttered

Burscough Mill, West Lancashire (By Bradders101)

Burscough Flour Mill located on the bank of the Leeds / Liverpool canal between Burscough and Latham. The mill was located alongside the canal which was crucial for transporting goods during its years of operation. The steam mill finally closed in 1998 and has since been repurposed as residential flats.

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Co-ordinates: 53.60095, -2.837927 • what3words: ///flip.guidebook.warrior

Burscough Curves, West Lancashire (By Bradders101)

Location of the old railway embankments that historically linked the Ormskirk/ Preston and Wigan / Southport lines together.
Rail services linking the lines were discontinued back in 1960’s and the track removed in 1973. Local campaigners have pushed Network Rail to reinstate the tracks and electrify the lines as the embankments still remain…but to date still no avail.

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Co-ordinates: 53.60535, -2.834129 • what3words: ///provide.headsets.creatures

Burnham Low Lighthouse, Sedgemoor (By gasbag43)

The Low Lighthouse is one of three lighthouses in Burnham-on-Sea in Somerset and the only one which is still active.

It is a Grade II listed building and stands on the foreshore. First lit in 1832, the Low Lighthouse was deactivated in 1969; but it was then re-established in 1993

Its a great location for photographers - particularly at sunset - but you get a different perspective on the structure itself and its location from the air

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Co-ordinates: 51.24838, -3.005909 • what3words: ///roofer.agency.wasp

Ulcombe Recreation Ground, Maidstone (By grandad1950)

Ulcombe is a tiny village in Kent with a large recreation ground with lots of space to fly.

Fowlers Field Reservoir can be seen in the distance.

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Co-ordinates: 51.20766, 0.645068 • what3words: ///forest.birdcage.ties

Great Chart, Ashford (By grandad1950)

Great Chart is an ancient village first recorded in 768. Little remains of the old village today

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Co-ordinates: 51.14462, 0.836406 • what3words: ///played.weedy.dragon

Nant-y-Gro Dam Buster trials (remains), Powys (By liberator24)

This small dam in mid Wales played a part in the Dam Busters operation. In July 1942 a prototype charge was proof-tested at this dam in the Elan Valley, where 280lbs of high-explosive destroyed the central portion of the masonry dam. The experiment was a complete success. The evocative and sobering remains of the bombed dam may still be seen today.

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Co-ordinates: 52.2578, -3.579719 • what3words: ///northward.piles.remarking

Black Nore Lighthouse, North Somerset (By Nairners)

This is an old lighthouse off the coast of Portishead. Great spot to test out orbits etc... loads of room and there is ample residential parking just next door. (I suggest parking on Pinecroft road).

In front of the lighthouse is a large (approx 10x10 feet) concrete pad which is great for TOAL as the area around is quite rocky and not suitable to rest a drone on.

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Co-ordinates: 51.4847, -2.800626 • what3words: ///spud.luring.fixed

Singleton Lake, Ashford (By grandad1950)

Singleton Lake is a man made lake and forms part of the Ashford Green Corridor.

Very popular for bird watching and fishing.

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Co-ordinates: 51.14307, 0.844713 • what3words: ///edits.awake.twin

Pontsarn Viaduct, Merthyr Tydfil (By gasbag43)

The Pontsarn Viaduct was built in the 1860’s to carry the Brecon and Merthyr Railway over the river was designed and built by Savin and Ward and their engineer Alexander Sunderland (as was the Cefn viaduct).

It has 7 spans and is an historic listed structure. It is situated in an area of natural beauty, with “the Blue Pool” and waterfall nearby.

Its located in a quiet little valley easily accessible on foot from the road above.

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Co-ordinates: 51.77967, -3.385237 • what3words: ///stones.points.spit


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