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Queen Elizabeth Country Park added to Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty in South East by AeroJ on 11/08/2024

The South Downs contains a good few spectacular locations along its length, and Butser gets a lot of attention for being among the tallest and most open of them.

But the neighbouring peak of Butser is a slightly lower, almost entirely tree-covered hill where we find QECP, Petersfield's main big out-of-town country park, which deserves a pin on the map because it will occur to many to try and fly here, but we should be aware of the challenges in advance...

Parking is expensive if you bring the car, but bikes (and EUCs) get in free if you are up to the 400 ft climb to the top of the hill with another mile or 2 to go to the fly site once you get there ! Toilets and cafe facilities open within normal park sort of hours (also expensive !). The Park does not have any 'no drones' signs (as of Aug 2024), and I believe it's fine as long as you don't hang around the busy picnic and pizza oven areas at peak times. These border the closest TOAL field right next to the car park and make that one the least preferable of the 3 or 4 available - the others don't generally have stationary groups of people in them !

There ARE spectacular views available here, just not as many as you'd think ! It is MAINLY about the trees and sheer amount of them ! And it's quite a challenging place to fly for number of reasons I will briefly mention below.

All 3 of the potential fly sites are right at the top of the hill and are variously sized fields that adjoin the main gravel track running all the way along the main ridge from the upper car park to Wardown, which is the highest point of and end of the hill. The best place to fly from is undoubtedly the largest field, furthest from the car park (about 1.5km walk), and just before the hill drops off into the Wardown viewpoint (which is almost entirely obscured from view by trees from the ground). THIS is the view we want though and is a stunning vista back towards the town, in which we have imposing Butser on the left, the chalk quarry and town in front, and the A3 carving between the 2 hills, and vast, lush tree canopy in the foreground. This looks AMAZING in Autumn.

But the Achilles heel, so to speak, of this site is the fact that each of these TOAL fields are surrounded by tall trees, seriously limiting the amount of horizontal travel we have, even at some height without losing VLOS. The ONE exception is if you get your UV to follow the main track all the way along the hill ridge, which will give a long continuous shot with clear views of craft all the way along if you follow it on foot and lovely wooded drop-offs on both sides once you get about 100 ft above the tree-line.

We do get some RAF traffic appearing low over those trees on occasions, so good to notify them of any flights you may be intending to make here in advance. We also have to watch out for excess wind, which may seem calm at ground level, but can become suddenly huge as soon as you emerge from the canopy, where you are subject to a powerful prevailing wind that gets channelled along the A3 between the 2 hills. Although updrafts from this do get diffused by the woodland to some extent, some skim above it and can catch you, making descent a bit sketchy if you try it in the wrong places or need it in a hurry, so this is actually quite a challenging place to fly because you don't have much chance to see things coming and winds are unpredictable and powerful ! My advice is 'don't run low on power here - land well early'. The main risk is being blown out of VLOS for craft that can't handle big wind. I will only fly my M4P here on the very calmest of days.

A valid question to ask might be why you would fly here, when there is even bigger hill Butser right next door, which is a relatively easy-fly, vastly wide open space, with amazing all-round visibility wherever you fly on it, and I would have to agree !

QECP is for specialists, who want tree-lined ridges in certain lights, (and ones tall enough to poke through clouds occasionally) and who want to actually fly IN the woods where there are helpfully widely spaced and nicely managed trees and a number of interesting things to film including assault courses, bike trails, epic drop-offs and several crafty type play areas with rope swings and bridges and what-not. Looks great in golden hour. FPVers would have a ball in the woods if the light was right...

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Co-ordinates: 50.97363, -0.967226 • what3words: ///logs.marching.relations

The originator declared that this location was not inside a Flight Restriction Zone at the time of being flown on 10/08/2024. It remains the responsibility of any pilot to check for any changes before flying at the same location. Landowner permission may be required before taking off.

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Flood Plain of the River Soar, Charnwood (By bryand)

Grid Ref: SK577164
This section of the River Soar floods every year, and this year's floods were quite spectacular. By the time these were taken, the floods had receded so local roads had re-opened but they give a good idea of the extent of the inundation.
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Many access points for TOAL: I used a lane off the A6.

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Co-ordinates: 52.7413, -1.144221 • what3words: ///unveils.ratty.headlight

The Dirty Duck, Woolsthorpe on the Grantham Canal, South Kesteven (By bryand)

Grid Ref: SK843361
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No flight restrictions other than the generic Lincolnshire training area.

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Co-ordinates: 52.90712, -0.747409 • what3words: ///cheetahs.sprawls.limitless

Caerau Hillfort and the ruins of St Mary’s Church, Cardiff (By gasbag43)

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The hillfort is one of the largest and most significant Iron Age sites in South Wales, originally a stronghold of the Silures tribe. The overall site covers an area over 5 hectares – larger than 4 full size football pitches. Its multiple ramparts and ditches, clearly legible in the aerial photographs, enclose a strategic plateau overlooking the Ely Valley. The sweeping curves of earthworks visible from above reveal successive phases of construction, reflecting the site’s long occupation and defensive importance within pre-Roman tribal territories

At the hillfort’s heart lie the roofless ruins of St Mary’s Church, founded in the 13th century and abandoned after the medieval period. Though it was restored in the 1960s, it fell victim to severe vandalism and was deconsecrated in the 1970s.The images show the church isolated within its oval churchyard, itself set inside the prehistoric enclosure—an explicit layering of sacred and defensive landscapes. Together, the photographs emphasise how medieval Christian worship appropriated an ancient stronghold, illustrating over two millennia of adaptation and reuse within Cardiff’s historic landscape.

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Co-ordinates: 51.46731, -3.248114 • what3words: ///grab.useful.tribune

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Nestled in the South Downs and dating from the 12th century is St Peters Parish Church in Firle East Sussex. It is a grade 1 listed building.
Firle Place, just next to the church is worth a visit

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Co-ordinates: 50.84498, 0.088493 • what3words: ///agency.prone.deriving

Semaphore Tower, Chatley Heath, Elmbridge (By Venners07)

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Built in 1822, the Semaphore Tower is a unique survival. Commissioned in the aftermath of the Battle of Waterloo, it was once a cutting-edge building at the forefront of technology and is now a remarkable retreat in the heart of a peaceful nature reserve.

The only remaining semaphore tower in Britain

A unique remnant from the Napoleonic era, this Grade II* listed brick structure is the only surviving semaphore tower in Britain. It was once a building at the forefront of technology and design, a vital link in a signalling chain that transmitted messages from Admiralty House in London to Portsmouth Docks in just a few minutes.

The semaphore machinery has been refurbished, providing a living lesson in technological and engineering history.

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Co-ordinates: 51.31523, -0.438166 • what3words: ///both.exams.party

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The Julian Gaudentius stone is one of the most significant Roman artifacts found in a Welsh parish church. Discovered in the late 18th century, it is a Di Manibus (dedicated to the spirits of the dead) funerary monument. The stone's presence suggests that the site of St Andrew’s may have been a Roman villa or a roadside burial ground long before the first Christian timber or stone church was erected.

Roman law forbade burials within the walls of a fortress, so soldiers were often buried along the roads leading out of Caerleon.

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The image highlights the church’s secluded position within the rolling Monmouthshire landscape. The sprawling graveyard, dotted with weathered headstones, underscores its role as a focal point for the community over the centuries.

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Co-ordinates: 51.64906, -2.897732 • what3words: ///divider.lengthen.assets

St Michaels Plumpton, Lewes (By grandad1950)

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Co-ordinates: 50.90506, -0.071677 • what3words: ///skater.fracture.baroness

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• The Intake Tower: The top-down perspective showcases the iconic concrete valve tower and access bridge. This structure is the "heart" of the operations, regulating water flow before it is pumped to the Sluvad Treatment Works.

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Co-ordinates: 51.6861, -2.97502 • what3words: ///fallback.perfect.silks

St Peters Hamsey, Lewes (By grandad1950)

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Co-ordinates: 50.89117, 0.009614 • what3words: ///fire.consults.diet

The Bishop's Palace, Cardiff (By gasbag43)

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The palace was largely destroyed during the rebellion of Owain Glyndŵr in 1404, leaving it the ruin seen today.

The Twin-Towered Gatehouse: In Photo 1, the massive gatehouse dominates the lower right corner. Its ruined state reveals the thick stone masonry required for a fortified manor.

The Curtain Wall: Photo 2 captures the rectangular "enclosure" layout. You can see the surviving stone walls that originally protected the inner courtyard, now a peaceful green space. This space once contained a magnificent Great Hall against the far wall, where the Bishop would host guests and conduct legal business.

To the rear of the site (visible in the top-left of the photos near the modern scaffolding), there would have been private chambers, kitchens, and storehouses that supported a large medieval household.

Modern Preservation: In both photos, blue scaffolding and protective fencing are visible on the far corner, highlighting ongoing conservation efforts to stabilize the medieval masonry for future generations.

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